Quoting Ancient Sources

[monstordh]

I use Bookends primarily for religious research. I need help figuring out how to quote ancient sources such as the Talmud, Mishnah, etc. These sources do not use conventional page numbering. For instance, a common reference from the Talmud would be:

b.Shabbat 88b

The "b" at the beginning signifies the Babylonian Talmud (verses the Jerusalem Talmud) and the 88b is the reference (which is based on a page numbering system pretty unique to the Talmud).

Another example would be quoting from a teaching of Rebbe Nachman. It would appear something like this:

Likutey Moharan II, 84

In this reference, Likutey Moharan II is the work & volume, and 84 is the reference (I believe it is the section # in the book, rather than the page number).

Does anyone have any idea how I can input these sources so that my citations come out correctly when I do my document scan?

[Jon]

I'm not knowledgable about ancient sources, but if you have a "page equivalent" it can still be entered in the Pages field. Bookends will output it where the pages would normally go.

Jon
Sonny Software

[monstordh]

I'm not knowledgable about ancient sources, but if you have a "page equivalent" it can still be entered in the Pages field. Bookends will output it where the pages would normally go.

Jon
Sonny Software

Thanks for the reply, Jon - The problem with that, however, is that Bookends auto-formats that, and it wouldn't make sense to have something like "b.Shabbat p. 88b" That would actually be an incorrect citation. Unless there is a way to somehow mark references that need to drop the "p." Do you know of anything like that?

[Jon]

One thing you could do is create a Type for Ancient Sources (assign one of the Unused Types to Ancient, for example). In the format, don't output "p." before the pages field.

Jon
Sonny Software

[monstordh]

One thing you could do is create a Type for Ancient Sources (assign one of the Unused Types to Ancient, for example). In the format, don't output "p." before the pages field.

Jon
Sonny Software

That's a great idea! However, I don't see a way to change the output for the fields. Can you give me some info on that?

[Jon]

I'm not sure what you mean, but let's say the output you use now is

a. (d) t v, $p. $p.

In the new Ancient Type, you would use


a. (d) t v, p.

(so "p. " is not output before the content of the Pages field).

If you haven't already, please take the Bookends Tutorial.pdf to learn a bit about formatting, and know that the User Guide has all the information there is on how to create formats.

Jon
Sonny Software

[monstordh]

I guess I need to grab that PDF, since I don't even know where to find those output options. Thanks!

[monstordh]

Great suggestion, Jon! It worked perfectly! Now I just need to figure out why this reference in my bibliography is in a different font than the rest of the sources!

[Jon]

I guess I need to grab that PDF, since I don't even know where to find those output options. Thanks!

They are all available in the Bookends Help menu.

Jon
Sonny Software

[monstordh]

Ok- I've got this working to a degree. However, I'm having some problems. How do I distinguish what is going to be put in my Citation, verses what will be put into my Bibliography? I can't seem to find anything that tells me about that. Any suggestions?

[Jon]

This has turned into a tech support issue, so please contact tech support and we'll continue this off-forum.

support@sonnysoftware.com

Jon
Sonny Software

[monstordh]

This has turned into a tech support issue, so please contact tech support and we'll continue this off-forum.

support@sonnysoftware.com

Jon
Sonny Software

Thanks. Just sent you an email.