Two citations together

[raymond]

Hello,

I am coming back to my problem, and looking for help, since I am on a long file where the results are as shown below, and, practically, I need to fix the issue manually.

I need to create in my Mellel file the references to be presented as here:

( Corstjens & Doyle, 1981:Newman, Yu, & Oulton, 2002).

When scanning, now, my Mellel file, I get the following situation:

(Corstjens & Doyle, 1981):(Newman, Yu, & Oulton, 2002.)
I have changed my Format Manager configuration as shown below:

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But the outcome, in my Mellel file is without parentheses at all
Corstjens & Doyle, 1981:Newman, Yu, & Oulton, 2002.
How will I configure Bookends to achieve what I want to be in Mellel
I am looking forward to be assisted by you here.

TIA
raymond

[ozean]

( Corstjens & Doyle, 1981:Newman, Yu, & Oulton, 2002)

Two questions:

(a) Do you really want it exactly like that? With a space after the opening parenthesis and no space before or after the separating colon? (And do you actually need to use a colon instead of a semicolon to separate the references?)

(b) Could you show us how exactly the unscanned references look in your text?

But the outcome, in my Mellel file is without parentheses at all

One answer: Of course the output does not have parentheses, as the “Enclose citations with” is set to “Nothing”.


And in any case, I do not understand why you don't put both citations into one citation object and let Bookends separate them? (If you want to have a colon between them, then, of course, you need to set the “Separate multiple citations with” setting to a colon instead of a comma as you do now…)

[raymond]

I'll try to answer your questions:
a. the answers for all is No, and
b. I'll show how it is presented in my raw text:
{Newman et al., 2002, #77509};{Corstjens and Doyle, 1981, #21476}
and a second one:
{Bianco et al., 2003, #59848};{Basker, 2007, #8102};{Basker, 2005, #19981}

And here is What it gives me after scanning:
(Corstjens and Doyle, 1981);(Newman et al., 2002)
And the second one is:
(Basker, 2005);(Basker, 2007);(Bianco et al., 2003)

And in both cases i wish that the internal parentheses would disappear.
I would I configure the Format Manger or any other place in BE in order to get this result, or may be I have to do something in Mellel to solve the issue, and the get the outcome I am looking for.

Hope to get further help from you.

[raymond]

And, I would like to present my format manger now:

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And the possibility, you proposed me few weeks ago, and Jon few days ago, is this one, which leave no parentheses at all:

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I wish to be able to have parentheses only at the external parts of the citations.
I hope I was able to explain myself better.

[ozean]

Raymond, nothing easier than that. The solution, as I hinted above, is to put both citations into one “citation object”, or, if you don’t use Mellel, into the same pair of curly brackets:

{Newman et al., 2002, #77509; Corstjens and Doyle, 1981, #21476}

I think you could also just have the two citations follow each directly, i.e. without the semicolon or any other character in between like this. Then Bookends will automagically put them into one citation object as well.

{Newman et al., 2002, #77509}{Corstjens and Doyle, 1981, #21476}

All of this, of course, is explained in detail in the user guide. If you use Bookends as heavily as it seems, I would really recommend to only read the guide and but try out the things that are explained in the guide while you read it, so that you experience what option has what result.

[raymond]

Thanks Ozean,

It is easy unfortunately to you, not to me. If I could utilize the users guide of Mellel and Bookends, it would have been very good, and I am writing it after reading the appropriate chapter in both guides. I am too confused still.
I work with Mellel from its starting point. I work with Bookends for many years now. Still I have difficulties in understanding how to handle this issue of TWO REFERENCES TOGETHER.
1. I am creating the citations inside Mellel from BE References window, where I enter bibliographic details as I continue to work on the Mellel file, and each time I click on the Copy Citation in BE to add the citation onto the Mellel file. This practice works for me very fine.
2. The problem starts, and it is not easy for me at all, is when I Copy Citation, one beside the other inside the Mellel file from the BE Copy Citation command. The citations inside mellel are separated by semicolon.
I wish the have these citations appearing in Mellel, one after the the other, and that the parenthesis will appear, in the final outcome on Mellel, only on the external parts of the citations together.
This I don't know how to do, and the whole chapters in both users guides, unfortunately, didn't help me.
3. When you write " The solution, as I hinted above, is to put both citations into one “citation object” ", I do not understand how to do it practically.
If you could be kind enough, and if you could find the necessary small amount of time, as I hope it is, and to explain me, step by step, how to do this wanted and not achieving, by me, issue.

Thanks in advance

[ozean]

Exactly as I said above:

{Newman et al., 2002, #77509; Corstjens and Doyle, 1981, #21476}

I think you could also just have the two citations follow each directly, i.e. without the semicolon or any other character in between like this. Then Bookends will automagically put them into one citation object as well.

{Newman et al., 2002, #77509}{Corstjens and Doyle, 1981, #21476}

Or, as displayed in Mellel before a scan:

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[raymond]

Thanks. I'll try that.

[raymond]

Hello ozean,
I have tried your tri-arrow example.
My Edit Citation window has no ones of them checked as shown here:

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And I have another question: How am I able to select two or three citations in the mellel file to be presented in the edit citation window, as you are presenting?

[ozean]

By selecting them all in Bookends and then “Copy Selected Citations” (note the plural in Citations).

By the way, there is a semicolon at the beginning of the text in your example – I guess that should not be there.

You can also copy&paste from one citation into the other, of course. (Then you need to separate the citations from each other with the separation character that you defined in Bookends’ preferences. The standard separator is a semicolon.)

[raymond]

[quote="ozean"]By selecting them all in Bookends and then “Copy Selected Citations” (note the plural in Citations).

Thanks, ozean. I have done this. here are the results:

(Basker, 2005; Basker, 2007; Biancoet al., 2003)
(Newmanet al., 2002; Corstjens and Doyle, 1981)

I have done it in the following way, ( I am presenting it here to show how I did it, and to be confirmed by you if this is what you meant, or there exists a shorter way to do it)
I did it on a mellel test file which contained only the above citations.
I opened the Window--> Library window in BE.
There, I had the three citations with the B, and with the command Edit--> Copy Selected Citations, and the three citations where placed in the document,
Then, I came to the other citation containing Two Citation, but in open Library window they are far from each other. I could not find a way to select them together. So I have selected each separately, and then the command copy citation.
I wonder if this is the procedure you recommend, or there is a shorter procedure to apply when working on a long Mellel file with many citations, most of them, separately, but many are grouped citations.
I do hope my explanation was clear to you.
How should I do in the future.

Thanks again for you help.

[ozean]

I have done this. here are the results:

(Basker, 2005; Basker, 2007; Biancoet al., 2003)
(Newmanet al., 2002; Corstjens and Doyle, 1981)

Looks good, doesn’t it?


In general, to select several items on the Mac there are two main options:

* for continuous selections, click the first item and then shift-click the last item that you want to select (or hold shift while you use the arrow keys)

* for discontinuous selections, hold the command key while you click on each item that you want to add to the selection


Both techniques work in practically all standard-supporting Mac applications, including Bookends.

[raymond]

Looks good, doesn’t it?

Looks very good
Thanks you, once again,for your patient.
Can you indicate to me where these instructions are in the BE user guide. I would like to read it there once again, and probably understa the idea better.