Two Google Search Woes

[Nhaps]

The following problem happens once or twice a week here. When I do a seach on Google a pop up window allows me to choose the number of hits to appear, I always choose 10 or 20. The problem is that after a while the pop up window disappears and google starts spitting hundreds of references, which results in hourly bans. How to solve this?

The Second problem is that we cannot see from the hit list which referencesnwe already have in the database, there is no "reg target" like we find in Sente for new references that one does not have. The question is when will Bookends offer us this functionality.

[Jon]

The first is a tech support issue. If you can reproduce this please contact tech support with detail on how to reproduce.

As for the second, Bookends highlights in yellow references you already have if there is a clear way to recognize unique references: a PMID, a DOI, or an ISBN (and I think a JSTOR fixed link, too, but I'd have to check that).

Jon
Sonny Software

P.S. If you do import a replicate by mistake, Refs -> Remove Duplicates will reveal it and delete the copy.

[Nhaps]

I don't see any way how I could reproduce it. This is why I am posting the problem, to see if you have encountered it before. As for PMID, DOI or ISBN, I suppose goggle downloads the last one most of the time. But the problem is that I have never seen the yellow highlighting operating before, don't know how it looks or how to enable it. Ideally the Online Search should automatically display the status of the reference, whether in or out of the database. This feature would save us much time wasted on downloading duplicates by selecting new and relevant items

[Jon]

Nope, never heard of it. If it can't be reproduced there's little chance I'll be able to diagnose the problem.

BTW, I don't think just doing lots of GS searches triggers the ban. It's actually importing lots of refs over a short period of time. It did consecutive GS search and retrieved 1000 references each time, but didn't import any. No ban.

Finally, as I said, the reference highlights in yellow in the search window. There's nothing to turn on, it just works. I tried a few GS downloads just now, but didn't see any DOIs imported. If you want to see it in action, download a few modern references from PubMed.

Jon
Sonny Software

[Nhaps]

The highlights are not shown in yellow in the search window, please send me a screen shot of how it looks like. I tried pubmed searching and google as well.

[Jon]

Please send an email to tech support (support@sonnysoftware.com) and I'll send you as screen snap.

Jon
Sonny Software

[Jon]

In thinking about the issue with references to fetch (not to import, just to fetch for display) -- Bookends doesn't ask if there are less than 500 hits. It fetches the entire 500 because that's just as fast (or faster) as putting up a dialog to ask how many you want. This is probably what you are seeing.

Jon
Sonny Software

[Nhaps]

In thinking about the issue with references to fetch (not to import, just to fetch for display) -- Bookends doesn't ask if there are less than 500 hits. It fetches the entire 500 because that's just as fast (or faster) as putting up a dialog to ask how many you want. This is probably what you are seeing.

Jon
Sonny Software

Good to know, but the google problem remains a problem occasionaly with the bans. Sometimes the pop window asking for how many references to fetch disappears and it fetches a lot, so Google blocks it.

[Jon]

Again, it's not how many you fetch. It's how many you import. Try it yourself. Do searches and see lots of references but don't import any into your database. Do you get banned?

Jon
Sonny Software

[Nhaps]

The occasional banning happens after fetching, not after importing. I never import more than a few at a time.

[Jon]

If you can figure out a pattern to reproduce this please contact tech support with details. I've never been able to see a problem with just fetching, and I can't get it to happen now.

Jon
Sonny Software

[Nhaps]

Unfortunately this unique problem of fetching did not go away. Now it is blocked for good, and the only window that comes up is the message "There Are No Matches". No matter what I type under Online Search --> Google Search, the message is the same