Different format for reference tools
Different format for reference tools
I am new to Bookends and learning the ropes. My question has to do with formatting an alternative style in citations. The publisher's general style for citations in the book series for which I am writing is as follows: (Author Date: pages). No problem. For reference tools, however, the author/editors are not mentioned, and the title is given in abbreviated form: (ABR pages). How do I set this up? Thanks.
GHG
Jon,
Thanks for the quick reply. In my field, a reference tool might be a dictionary (e.g. The Dictionary of Jesus and the Gospels) or a lexicon like A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature, etc. The tools are so universally recognized that the publisher simply uses an abbreviation instead of author or editor plus title in the citation. The first of these, for instance, should be abbreviated DJG and and a citation with page number would look like this: (DJG 86). The second example above is abbreviated according to the editors: BDAG, so a citation would look like this: (BDAG 193). This is a departure from the normal form of journal article or book citations for this series, which, e.g., would be (Wright 2006: 56).
Does that make sense? Thanks for your help.
Thanks for the quick reply. In my field, a reference tool might be a dictionary (e.g. The Dictionary of Jesus and the Gospels) or a lexicon like A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature, etc. The tools are so universally recognized that the publisher simply uses an abbreviation instead of author or editor plus title in the citation. The first of these, for instance, should be abbreviated DJG and and a citation with page number would look like this: (DJG 86). The second example above is abbreviated according to the editors: BDAG, so a citation would look like this: (BDAG 193). This is a departure from the normal form of journal article or book citations for this series, which, e.g., would be (Wright 2006: 56).
Does that make sense? Thanks for your help.
GHG
Hi, thanks for the explanation.
I think there are several solutions for this.
If the reference tool assignment is clear cut, then you can give them their own reference Type (Tool). Then in the format definition for that Type, you can put, say, output the secondary title (which you might enter in the reference as DBAG).
An alternative would be to cite reference tools with a self-deleting citation {!temp citation} -- note the leading exclamation point -- and then insert the final citation as you want it (perhaps using the Copy Formatted option). This way the reference makes it into the bibliography, but the temp citation is removed during a scan and the final text is left.
There may be other ways as well.
Based on what you've told me, I think option #1 looks pretty reasonable.
There are lots of other in the forum that cite religious literature (SBL), so perhaps they can comment, too.
Jon
Sonny Software
I think there are several solutions for this.
If the reference tool assignment is clear cut, then you can give them their own reference Type (Tool). Then in the format definition for that Type, you can put, say, output the secondary title (which you might enter in the reference as DBAG).
An alternative would be to cite reference tools with a self-deleting citation {!temp citation} -- note the leading exclamation point -- and then insert the final citation as you want it (perhaps using the Copy Formatted option). This way the reference makes it into the bibliography, but the temp citation is removed during a scan and the final text is left.
There may be other ways as well.
Based on what you've told me, I think option #1 looks pretty reasonable.
There are lots of other in the forum that cite religious literature (SBL), so perhaps they can comment, too.
Jon
Sonny Software
Jon,
Thanks in advance for working through this issue with me. First, you write, "If the reference tool assignment is clear cut." By this do you mean that the title for the reference will be the same in both the Bibliography and in the Citations? In that sense, it is not clear cut. In the Bib. the reference will be the full title of the work. In the citations, as I noted in a previous post, the title will be abbreviated.
Second, you write, "Then in the format definition for that Type, you can put, say, output the secondary title (which you might enter in the reference as DBAG)." Do you put the format definition in the "Primary Order" window of the Formats manager? If so, how do I tell it to output the secondary title? Can I keep a full title in the Bibliog. and the abbreviated title in the citation?
Thanks in advance for working through this issue with me. First, you write, "If the reference tool assignment is clear cut." By this do you mean that the title for the reference will be the same in both the Bibliography and in the Citations? In that sense, it is not clear cut. In the Bib. the reference will be the full title of the work. In the citations, as I noted in a previous post, the title will be abbreviated.
Second, you write, "Then in the format definition for that Type, you can put, say, output the secondary title (which you might enter in the reference as DBAG)." Do you put the format definition in the "Primary Order" window of the Formats manager? If so, how do I tell it to output the secondary title? Can I keep a full title in the Bibliog. and the abbreviated title in the citation?
GHG
OK, Jon; the citations now are formatted as the style of the series demands. Thanks for your help.
It took me a bit to get my mind around the fact that Bibliography and Footnotes and in-text citations can be formatted in the primary order window of the Formats Manager and that the Bib and Citations Format applies in the main style used for format but not to the style used for a "Custom Citation Format." That probably is as clear as mud. I am coming from Endnotes in which Bibliography and Footnotes etc. are treated in different managers.
The User Guide (pp. 120f.) does deal with this somewhat, but you might consider a way of clarifying the point, perhaps by use of examples.
Thanks again; I am sure I will have other questions along the way--probably later today. I promise to read the user's guide first.
I am excited to be part of the Bookends community and will promote Bookends with my students.
It took me a bit to get my mind around the fact that Bibliography and Footnotes and in-text citations can be formatted in the primary order window of the Formats Manager and that the Bib and Citations Format applies in the main style used for format but not to the style used for a "Custom Citation Format." That probably is as clear as mud. I am coming from Endnotes in which Bibliography and Footnotes etc. are treated in different managers.
The User Guide (pp. 120f.) does deal with this somewhat, but you might consider a way of clarifying the point, perhaps by use of examples.
Thanks again; I am sure I will have other questions along the way--probably later today. I promise to read the user's guide first.
I am excited to be part of the Bookends community and will promote Bookends with my students.
GHG