Problems with user created format :(

Klaus · Post by **Klaus** » Sat Sep 01, 2007 4:06 am

Hi!

The following is my problem: I have to cite court rulings in my paper. They are formated like "BVerfGE 46, 160/164", meaning official courtbooks of the BVerfG (german Supreme Court) volume 46, the ruling begins on page 160 and the part I want to cite is on page 164.

Now. I created a new Format and because I dod not want to have to tab to the user field renamed the "editors" field to "Fundstelle" where I would add (in this case) "BVerfGE 46, 160" and later add an @164 in Mellel.

Now after formatting evrything in Mellel the 160 gets dropped, no matter what I do. I tried both naming ways for editors and expected to get 160 BVerfGE 46, but Bookends seems to "realize" that 160 cannot possibly be the surname of BVerfGE 46. What can be done about that?

I realize now that it was probably a mistake not to take a user field for that, but it's too late now, deadline is Monday...

Any help would be greatly appreciated as it would help me NOT to format most of my footnotes manually.

Klaus

ozean · Post by **ozean** » Sat Sep 01, 2007 4:50 am

Klaus, to be able to help you we must know what code is in the format you use. Then we can probably offer suggestions how to rework this code so that it displays the information that you need. Can you post the relevant format code?

Klaus · Post by **Klaus** » Sat Sep 01, 2007 4:58 am

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a, j $v. $d - t - e/p$ = $v ,$zit. n. $z

As you can see, I have been renaming rather a lot...

a Gericht (Court)
t Aktenzeichen (proceedings registry)
e Entscheidungssammlung (collections of rulings)
j Urteil or Beschluss (the two different decisions a german court can make)
v Parallelfundstelle (parallel publishing in a law magazine)

the rest should be standart, I hope I did not forget anything.

so, for example, it should look like this

BVerfG, Urt. v. 16.10.1977 - 1 Bvq 5/77 - BVerfGE 46, 160/164 = NJW 1977, 2255;

when in fact it looks like this

BVerfG, Urt. v. 16.10.1977 - 1 Bvq 5/77 - BVerfGE 46, NJW 1977, 2255, 164;

no URL (z) in this case.

Klaus

ozean · Post by **ozean** » Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:38 am

Hm, this seems to be more difficult that I thought.

Did you set the name setting in the format manager to â€œFull Nameâ€

Post by **Jon** » Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:45 am

Hi Klaus,

To be sure -- is the Type of reference you are formatting the same as the format you posted? Every Type has its own formatting instructions...

Jon
Sonny Software

Klaus · Post by **Klaus** » Sat Sep 01, 2007 9:03 am

Hi Jon,

Jon wrote: To be sure -- is the Type of reference you are formatting the same as the format you posted? Every Type has its own formatting instructions...

I am not quite sure, if I get you right, but the "code" I posted above is the format "urteil" (court ruling), which is the format type I used to format the footnotes above (and a type of a new format "Jura" I created based on the Chicago format.

Again, this also might be Melle-related: all other footnotes have a similar problem: I drop the Bookends entry into the Mellel footnote, open that by double-clicking it, and then add "@"+ the page number I am referring to. and so

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Blumenwitz, 2002, ZRP, 3, 102-106@105

becomes

Blumenwitz, Prof. Dr. Dieter: "EinsatzmÃ¶glichkeiten der Bundeswehr im Kampf gegen den Terrorismus.", ZRP 3/2002, S, 105.

note that the page number is added after S, instead of S.

I changed the format for journal article, so here it is:

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a: "t.", f v/d, $S. $ p- (p)

here it does not include the page range and also the page number is formated strangely...

Klaus

Post by **Jon** » Sat Sep 01, 2007 9:07 am

What I meant was, is the actual reference you are citing also of Type urteil?

If it is, please export the reference in question and send it and the format you created to me and I'll take a look (zip both, please).

Jon
Sonny Software

Post by **Jon** » Sat Sep 01, 2007 9:39 am

Klaus sent me the format. For those following, I'll answer on the forum.

This is a *very* complicated case. I see two problems with the format/example.

1. You have used the editors field for information that is not a name (BVerfGE 46, 160) and have include numbers. This is a bad idea, because there are special formatting features for names that don't apply to other kinds of text. I suggest you use one of the user-defined fields for this information. If for some reason you really want to use the editors field for this, you should end the "name" with a comma, in which case Bookends will output it as you entered it, e.g.

BVerfGE 46, 160,

2. In the example you sent there were no pages entered. There are rules as to how Bookends handles data after a missing field, and they are explained in the User Guide (it's not always simple to get things right). In your case, this modification to the format worked well:

a, j $v. $d - t - e/p $ = $v ,$zit. n. $z

(note the space after the p and before the $).

Jon
Sonny Software

Klaus · Post by **Klaus** » Sat Sep 01, 2007 11:45 am

Thank you Jon, for this excellent level of support!

Matters have begun to look better, but still I have problems with that page number:

everything looks the way it should, but the page number is added at the end. Maybe I should make clear what I am alking about: In bookend, ther is a field "pages" where I add e.g. 109-153 for a journal article. And then there ist the page number I add in mellel the way described in my post at the top: but appending @145 to the footnote in Mellel.

And this page number I want to place properly. And it will always be printed at the end of the footnote, and with strange formating in the case of journal articles (as I described some posts earlier).

Klaus

Post by **Jon** » Sat Sep 01, 2007 11:53 am

I think the problem is that when you use cited pages, Bookends will not output the pages. If you want two different page ranges in a citation, you have to use quoted text, such as

Blumenwitz, 2002, ZRP, 3, 102-106\, p. 105

Jon
Sonny Software

Klaus · Post by **Klaus** » Sat Sep 01, 2007 12:11 pm

OIC, thank you.