Inclusive page numbers in citations

[gke]

A journal I was preparing a manuscript for requires first citations of articles and book chapters to list both the inclusive page numbers for the article/chapter as a whole, and the specific page this particular footnote refers to, e.g.:

Gijs Kessler, "On Bookends", in Software review, 29, 2008, pp. 10-20, 15

What would be the way to accomplish this? All options I tried so far always replace the inclusive page numbers with the specific page reference when formatting citations.

[Jon]

Hi,

You can use quoted text:

{Kessler, On Bookends, 2008\, pp. 10-20, 15\}

Jon
Sonny Software

[gke]

But that would mean manually typing in information that is aleady present in the DB for each and every such citation, which seems little effective - wouldn't there be a way of BE automatically plucking the inclusive page numbers from the DB and inserting only the specific page by hand into the temporary citation?

[Jon]

There are *many* ways to do this, you just have to pick the one you find most flexible.

For example, you can modify the format to output the page range, and then use cited pages for the specific page. The format for the example you gave might be modified to something like this:

a, "t", $in $v, i, d, $pp. $p-$

with Cited Pages (second tab) set to output

", " -- without the quote marks

before the cited pages are output

and the citation

{Kessler, 2008, On Bookends@15}

That would give you what you want without having to enter the page range by hand every time.

Jon
Sonny Software

[Gerben]

But that would mean manually typing in information that is aleady present in the DB for each and every such citation, which seems little effective - wouldn't there be a way of BE automatically plucking the inclusive page numbers from the DB and inserting only the specific page by hand into the temporary citation?

I use a custom format that outputs the page range. Then I drag and drop the reference from BE into Mellel and manually add the page number: "\, 15"

Gerben

[Jon]

Hi Gerben, that's pretty much what I described in the reply above. That works, too, but you might want to use "cited pages" (@) rather than "quoted text" (\) because it's more flexible if you want to change formats in the future.

Jon
Sonny Software

[gke]

Jon, the procedure you describe is the way I went as well, but it fails to reproduce the desired result.

The format I use specifies the primary citation of a journal article as follows:

a, "t", j, v (d), $p. ^pp. $p-$

The Cited Pages is set to output ", " before the cited pages.

Nevertheless, wit a temporary citation for such an article of:

{Kessler, 2008, On Bookends@15}

the first citation omits the page-range and just appends the specified ", 15" to the citation. In the bibliography the page-ranges is appended as should.

[Jon]

Ah, right, I forgot. Actually, that's a feature, not a bug. If you use cited pages Bookends will omit the output of pages elsewhere in the citation (because you typically one one or the other, not both, in the final citation.

In your unusual case, where you want both, Gerben's solution will work: user "quoted text" (the backslash, \).

Jon
Sonny Software

[gke]

Yes, that would probably indeed be the way to go, also because cited pages would work across all reference types, whereas the notation with only a comma before it is only required when it is preceded by inclusive page numbers formatted using p. and pp.