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Citations in purple

Post by raymond »

Hello,

My problem is:

I have completed a document with about 70 references.
I have created the Bookends database as explained me. I even tried the scanning the document in the middle and succeeded very well.

Now when scanning the final document I am creating a nice references list at the end of the document, but, in the middle of the document, where a purple citation should have been created in the following way: (Yeo, Peter 1994) I get it as it seen here in Purple ( can't attach the screen picture here):
( Yeo, P. (1994). A Letter to the Editor.
Review of International Cooperation, Volume 87, No. 3, pp. 5-7)

This is an example since all the references in purple in the Mellel file have the same form and the same problem.
It is strange, and never happened before.
May be you know how I can return the situation into the ordinary form.

TIA

Raymond
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Post by Jon »

I don't know. You don't say what format you used. If it's APA 5th, then the in text citations are considered to be footnotes.
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Post by nicka »

It seems to me that the problem is that you are getting the bibliography format in the in-text citation. Is that right?

If so, you need to read up a bit on how Bookends generates different output for in-text citations and bibliography entries and then you should be able to find out what has gone wrong.
For example, if you choose APA 5th edition as your format, the in-text citations are handed off to, and produced by, APA citation format, I think. In some simpler formats, the way the in-text citations are generated is specified in the base format. You can see which is the case in the format you are using by opening the format, going to the 'Bib and citation options' tab and looking to see if the button labelled 'custom citation format' is selected.
If it's APA 5th, then the in text citations are considered to be footnotes.
I don't really understand this, I'm afraid, Jon (and I use APA). Could you explain?
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Post by Jon »

If it's APA 5th, then the in text citations are considered to be footnotes.
I don't really understand this, I'm afraid, Jon (and I use APA). Could you explain?
I just meant that APA 5th uses a custom citation format (APA Citations) for creating the in-text final citations. The most common reason for using a custom citation format is for footnoting (because the built-in numbering and author-date formats are typically used in other cases). But in the particular case of APA, the custom citation is a slight modification of the built-in author-date format. In case the original poster modified the APA 5th format we supply, he may have inadvertently used another custom format with it, or even set the custom format to itself (that is, APA 5th using citations formatted in its own bibliography style).

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Post by nicka »

Thanks Jon. I see now. I was confused because I always have citations in-line, but use a custom citation format, so the link with footnotes hadn't occurred to me.
I agree with your probable diagnosis of Raymond's problem, by the way.

I hope this discussion helps, Raymond. If Jon is right, then the quickest fix for your problem is to go to the 'Bib and citation options' tab in the format you are using and click the button labelled 'author & date'. This will unselect the button next to 'custom citation format' (since these are so-called radio buttons i.e. they represent mutually exclusive choices).

Jon, I wonder if you have considered representing the citation formatting as well as the bibliography formatting in the view formatted pane. You could have some kind of divider or another flippy triangle. Then it might be easier to see (and to explain to newer users) what is involved here. Just a thought.
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Post by Jon »

I hadn't thought of that, but it's not a bad idea...

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Post by raymond »

Thanks to your explanations I have solved the problem.

I had a problem when using APA 5th to be able to attach a URL to the citation created. I have got very good explanations on this forum, and created a variation to this format. I have tested it and it worked and the citation - purple blue inside the text were according to expectations.

I don't know to figure what went wrong, but the problem discussed above at the beginning of this thread was created. And Nicka and "the button labelled 'custom citation format' is selected. "

I have tried to change back to the format APA 5th and the problem has gone.

So thank you again

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Post by nicka »

You should be able to use your custom format and still get the citations as (Author, date) -- either by clicking the button mentioned in my previous post or by clicking the custom format button in the same tab and choosing 'APA citations' (in either case, editing the custom format you have created).
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Post by raymond »

I think I have found the problem.

In the format I have created, and in "Bib & Citation Options" after ticked "custom citation format" in the pop-up menu, the option chosen was: APA 5th Edition.

I have changed it to APA citations, and it works fine as it should be.

Thanks again to your help.
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