Sonny Software

Hi Jon,

the ibid.-feature already is very nice but there is one thing which doesn't work (or I wasn't able to figure it out):

If I have (Meier 2001, p. 100) then with my settings a repeated citation looks will look (ibid., p. 104). So far so good. But if the second citation is not page 104 but also page 100 I would expect there to be (ibid.) only instead of (ibid., p. 100).

I feat this isn't possible at the moment, so I would like to request this as new feature. (Btw I'm using Mellel as wordprocessor.)



And a second question also concerning ibid.: The "ibid." is set to italic in my settings but the style menu is grayed out while italic is checked and the "ibid."-text is selected in the "Bib & Citation Options"-Tab. I don't understand what's wrong here. I fear I have an error in reasoning here but I can't find it, so help would be very appreciated.

Thanks and all the best.

Reiner wrote:And a second question also concerning ibid.: The "ibid." is set to italic in my settings but the style menu is grayed out while italic is checked and the "ibid."-text is selected in the "Bib & Citation Options"-Tab. I don't understand what's wrong here. I fear I have an error in reasoning here but I can't find it, so help would be very appreciated.

You can't set the style of the text in the "Ibid." box with the menu. It is either output in plain text (default) or italics (if the checkbox is checked).

Jon
Sonny Software

Hi Jon,

sorry but I can't see any checkbox for italics for the custom citations format, there is only an italic checkbox for "et al." in the Bib & Citation Option-Tab. Or did I oversee something here?

all the best and thanks, Reiner

It's the same checkbox. It doesn't work for custom citations?

Jon
Sonny Software

Hi Jon,

thanks for your fast answer.

1. If I understand everything correct "et al." and "ibid." are meant to be both italic or both regular? But is it not possible to print one of them in italic and the other in regular?

If this is correct I would like this to suggest as a new feature. Please make the two things independent from each other. I would highly like to have "et al." in italic like I have the author names but would like to see "ibid." in regular text.

2. It doesn't make any difference if I have the italic-checkbox activated or not. Both "ibid." and "et al." are printed in italic not matter what I have chosen. Even an unscan doesn't solve the problem. So I think here is a little bug in Bookends. While there seems to be another minor bug with "et al." I write you a mail separately in a few minutes.

all the best, Reiner

Sorry, Reiner, I was multitasking and read your question too quickly. I though it was a followup of the repeated authors issue that I dealt with in this update.

You can't set the text style of ibid. If you want it italicized, do a global search/replace in your word processor after the scan.

Sorry for my confusing posts.

Jon
Sonny Software

I've been dabbling with the demo of Bookends with the thought of migrating. I have to second Reiner's comments that the need to have Latin abbreviations in italic script is a must (certainly in the Humanties). Might it be possible to have a tick-box for 'ibid' op. cit.', etc., as you have already for 'et al'?

Yours

S

Perhaps. If that were to be implemented, I'd do it differently, simply making the edit field handle styled text.

Jon
Sonny Software

Jon wrote:
You can't set the text style of ibid. If you want it italicized, do a global search/replace in your word processor after the scan.


Jon
Sonny Software

Mellel doesn't seem to allow for italic script in the find/replace dialogue. I guess that's Mellel problem though...

S.

Oop! Of course it does. Nevertheless... Jon it would be brilliant if in all of your wisdom and cleverness you could add this handy feature.

Thanks,

S

It has been added to my list of features to look into.

Jon
Sonny Software

Jon wrote:Perhaps. If that were to be implemented, I'd do it differently, simply making the edit field handle styled text.

That would be excellent! It would also allow foreign language users to enter their ibid. equivalents (“ebendaâ€

Hi ozean,

You can do that now, but it's output as plain text. The request here is to allow styled text.

Jon
Sonny Software

oops

seems you are so good with implementing features that I sometimes forget you already added them!

Svatopluk wrote:I've been dabbling with the demo of Bookends with the thought of migrating. I have to second Reiner's comments that the need to have Latin abbreviations in italic script is a must (certainly in the Humanties). Might it be possible to have a tick-box for 'ibid' op. cit.', etc., as you have already for 'et al'?

Yours

S

Hi Jon,
talking about Latin abbreviations in the Humanities I think there's another little 'bug' in the formats manager concerning edited book and book chapters.
An example: I want to cite a paper from Jakobson book "Essays" pubblished in London, 1966.
The ideal format is: Jakobson Roman, "On linguistics" in Id., Essays, London, 1966.
What is possible to get from the formatting options provided is:
Jakobson Roman, "On linguistics" in Jakobson Roman, Essays, London, 1966.
The author is repeated even though it should be avoided by using the "Idem" (abbr. Id.)
What do you think? Am I missing something?
THX
Nestor