Sonny Software

Hello!
I am sorry if these questions have already been answered. If so, could you possibly redirect me to the appropriate tutorials? Many thanks.
I use Mellel and Bookends Latest version.
I use Harvard In Text Author Date Citations.

I would need three things:

1) Given that now there is the possibility to add custom text (such as ibid) when a citation is repeated in text , I would like to OMIT author and date, but to RETAIN page number, even if it is the same as the previous citation. As it is now, if I leave blank the field: FOR REPEATED CITATIONS USE... it results in a blank citation (see example)

When all disciplinary apparatuses (such as school, army, workshop, etc.) failed, and when also the family failed, psychiatry ‘stepped in’ (Foucault and Lagrange 2006: 86) and made up for these failures. In this way, psychiatry became the discipline that could establish all the ‘schemas for the individualization, normalization, and subjection of individuals within disciplinary systems’ ().

On the contrary, I would like it to result as follows:

When all disciplinary apparatuses (such as school, army, workshop, etc.) failed, and when also the family failed, psychiatry ‘stepped in’ (Foucault and Lagrange 2006: 86) and made up for these failures. In this way, psychiatry became the discipline that could establish all the ‘schemas for the individualization, normalization, and subjection of individuals within disciplinary systems’ (86).

Is that possible at all? In case it is not, could you possibly implement it?

2) I would need to OMIT the author's name in case this is present in the sentence.
For instance, as for now, when I scan the doc I get the following result:

In Foucault’s words, the strength of psychiatry is that it is able to ‘give reality a constraining power’ (Foucault and Lagrange 2006: 174), in that it literally pins the subject to four impositions.

I would like it to be:

In Foucault’s words, the strength of psychiatry is that it is able to ‘give reality a constraining power’ (2006: 174), in that it literally pins the subject to four impositions.

Is this possible as of now? In case it is not, would it be possible to implement it?

3) This derives from the previous one. Take the previous example:

In Foucault’s words, the strength of psychiatry is that it is able to ‘give reality a constraining power’ (Foucault and Lagrange 2006: 174), in that it literally pins the subject to four impositions.

Say I want to manually delete the author. I double click on the citation and under the field FORMATTED CITATION I delete the author's name. The citation looks as I want it. Yet, if I add later other citations to other parts of the doc and re-scan it, I lose the custom formatting that I added in the field FORMATTED CITATIONS for the old ones...
Is there a way to retain it? I would not mind deleting all authors and dates where I need it, just I would prefer no to do it every time I scan the document.

Many thanks for your attention, hope to hear from you soon!

xexets wrote: On the contrary, I would like it to result as follows:

When all disciplinary apparatuses (such as school, army, workshop, etc.) failed, and when also the family failed, psychiatry ‘stepped in’ (Foucault and Lagrange 2006: 86) and made up for these failures. In this way, psychiatry became the discipline that could establish all the ‘schemas for the individualization, normalization, and subjection of individuals within disciplinary systems’ (86).

Is that possible at all? In case it is not, could you possibly implement it?

Set the format to output nothing for a repeated citation, and in the text use cited pages. I did this and got the result you want:

...temp citation...same temp citation@62...

This is with Bookends 11.0.2.

(62) was output for the second citation.

2) I would need to OMIT the author's name in case this is present in the sentence.

Is this possible as of now? In case it is not, would it be possible to implement it?

Use - at the beginning of the citation, such as {-Jones, 2003, citation info}.

This, and other useful modifiers, are discussed in the User Guide (p. 173 for "omit author").

Say I want to manually delete the author. I double click on the citation and under the field FORMATTED CITATION I delete the author's name. The citation looks as I want it. Yet, if I add later other citations to other parts of the doc and re-scan it, I lose the custom formatting that I added in the field FORMATTED CITATIONS for the old ones...
Is there a way to retain it? I would not mind deleting all authors and dates where I need it, just I would prefer no to do it every time I scan the document.

Any manual changes you make in Mellel to the final citation are of course lost if you rescan. But as you see from the above Bookends should do what you want with the citation modifiers.

Please read up on this in the User Guide, and make use of the Edit -> Copy Citation And Modifiers menu option so you don't have to memorize them.

Jon
Sonny Software

Thank you very much for your prompt reply, and my apologies for not having directly relied to the user guide, which indeed contained most of the answers I needed!

Still, I am having problems with repeated citations. Two to be precise:

1) I still get empty brackets for repeated citations in case BOTH the source AND the page are the same in the two consecutive citations EXAMPLE:

Yet, already in HM, Foucault considered the process that led psychiatry to become a branch of medicine nothing short of a ‘dense mistery’ (2005a: 508), in fact, ‘as positivism imposed itself [...] on psychiatry, the practice became more obscure, the power of the psychiatrist more miraculous’ ().

Instead of the () I should have (508), both tempcitations are: -Foucault, 2005, #91496@508

2) I have an additional problem in footnotes, as it considers consecutive citation those in different footnotes.
EXAMPLE:

NOTE 16: This moment is when Bentham’s panopticon - an enclosed institution - becomes ‘an indefinitely generalizable mechanism of “panopticism”’ (Foucault 1991: 216).

NOTE 17: In DP it is unclear if Foucault considers ‘disciplinary society’ as a stage that follows chronologically the rise of discipline in enclosed institutions. From his cues - i.e. ‘one can speak of the formation of a disciplinary society in this movement that stretches from the enclosed disciplines’ () - it could be inferred that he is possibly suggesting that disciplines in enclosed institutions precede the rise of a disciplinary society. Yet, if this is the case the process of this transformation is not clearly spelled out in a consistent history.

I guess this is a feature rather than a bug, because it is a great help when using footnote citations. Except it has nasty effects when using in-text combined with citations...
Any chance to solve it?

Do you have any suggestion for issue 1?

Thank you very much!

xexets wrote: 1) I still get empty brackets for repeated citations in case BOTH the source AND the page are the same in the two consecutive citations

Yes, that's the expected result since the citations are identical. I suggest that in place of the second citation you just enter the page number in the text.

NOTE 16: This moment is when Bentham’s panopticon - an enclosed institution - becomes ‘an indefinitely generalizable mechanism of “panopticism”’ (Foucault 1991: 216).

NOTE 17: In DP it is unclear if Foucault considers ‘disciplinary society’ as a stage that follows chronologically the rise of discipline in enclosed institutions. From his cues - i.e. ‘one can speak of the formation of a disciplinary society in this movement that stretches from the enclosed disciplines’ () - it could be inferred that he is possibly suggesting that disciplines in enclosed institutions precede the rise of a disciplinary society. Yet, if this is the case the process of this transformation is not clearly spelled out in a consistent history.

I guess this is a feature rather than a bug, because it is a great help when using footnote citations. Except it has nasty effects when using in-text combined with citations...
Any chance to solve it?

Again, this is the expected behavior if you tell Bookends to handle repeated citations in a particular manner (Ibid. is the usual way, and I assume Ibid. would be OK in the setting you have described).

Jon
Sonny Software

OK, thanks for the reply! You are really very nice and available, thanks!