Cited pages German format

[juliag]

Unfortunately, I have to define the citation options for the cited pages according to the following pattern:

Janas, 2007, #79932@19
Janas 2007, S. 19

Janas, 2007, #79932@19-20
Janas 2007, S. 19f
(in this case, a page range of two pages is cited; it should be generated with an "f" after the first page number)

Janas, 2007, #79932@19-21
Janas 2007, S. 19ff
(in this case, a page range of three pages is cited; it should be generated with an "ff" after the first page number)

Is there any solution? In the user guide, I only found the rules for the "p." and "pp." pattern ...

I would really appreciate your help.
Thanks, Julia

[Jon]

You mean you want the final output for 2 pages to be, say,

Janas 2007, S. 19f instead of Janas 2007, S. 19-21

If so, why not cite it that way?

Janas, 2007, #79932@19f

Jon
Sonny Software

[juliag]

Thanks for your quick reply. I was also thinking about entering it manually, but in this case, the exact information is lost (e.g. I only have 19ff – and do not know if it was 19-24 or 19-46).

I was looking for an automatic solution – Bookends is so powerful, I thought there might be a way?

[Jon]

But if I understand the rules here, the reader doesn't know the end number, either, right? So that information is lost in the final (i.e. finished) form of the document.

I believe you can use the ^ in the "after cited pages" box, too, to generate f vs. ff automatically (you can try this, I can't check it at them moment). But you still have to enter the beginning number you want

{cite@19}

Bookends won't remove the number after the dash.

Jon
Sonny Software

[Jon]

I verified that you can use ^ in the after cited pages field. So set yours to

f^ff

and you won't have to add the trailing "f"s manually.

Jon
Sonny Software

[paulhoepner]

Hi,

I tried to put f^ff in the After-textfield. The Problem is, that it will use the whole page range plus the ff. So if I have a page number like @21-27 it would give me 21-27ff
If I set the page range to "first page only" it will alway give me "f" only, even if I have a larger range than one.

What I would like to achieve is:
@21-27 --> 21ff
@21-22 --> 21f
@21 --> 21

Also when havin a page range of 1 (21-22) it will always give me "ff" although "f" would be right ...

Is there a way?

Thanks

Paul

[Jon]

Bookends won't do calculations to see if there is one page or more (it doesn't know what f and ff mean, it's just text to output). Which is used is based simply on whether a dash is found in the Pages field or not (no dash = one page, days = multiple pages). If you want more complex logic, you have to perform it yourself and use quoted text instead of cited pages:

{temp cite\, 21ff\}

or

{temp cite\, 21f\}

depending on which is appropriate.


Jon
Sonny Software

[paulhoepner]

Okay, thanks. I'll do it manually then.

Another question, a bit off-topic, but maybe you can help: I have a document with abut 60 Pages. When scanning the document, it first tries unscanning. Unfortunately, Bookend gets stuck in unscanning the document (Apple Beachball, Bookends irresponsive). Is there a way to prevent unscanning before scanning? Or are there any known issues with unscanning or scanning large documents?

I tried it with one page and one citation. It also shows me the apple-spinning beachball for about 10 seconds, and then proceeds to scanning. Do you know what could cause this performance issues? It should be working faster with one page and one citation, right?

I am on a MacBook Pro late 2012, running Mavericks latest Verison. The app is from the Appstore (not from your website ...)

Thanks a lot!

Paul

[Jon]

The unscan is automatic (it allows you to rescan again and again, without having to do an unscan first each time). A pause for a one page document I can't explain -- I'd try rebooting the Mac to see if some out of control process is interfering. If it's a large document with images, though, and you're using Word, there can be a size bottleneck. See this web page (or the Read Me that comes with Bookends) for the cause and the cures:

http://www.sonnysoftware.com/Issues/issues.html

Jon
Sonny Software

[paulhoepner]

Works like a charme
It's even enough to reduce it to "print" size, with 220 ppi, so there is really little quality loss ...

You made my day!

Paul

[Philologist]

Hi Julia,

Usually a full stop (.) is required after f. and ff.

Also remember that in German there must be a *space* between the number and "f." or "ff."
In English, on the other hand, there should be NO space.

German —> 21 ff.
English —> 21ff.