Sonny Software

Hello all,

Simple question – but one where I'm struggling on deciding whether to use BE, or simply doing it manually.

My citation method requires the reference to be produced in full, the 1st time it is quoted [Author_Full Title_Year_Page Num], and to be shortened [Author_Short Title_Page num] every time thereafter.

My 'problem':

I occasionally refer extensively to Author X/Y/Z, and confirm as much with the "the following section relies heavily on the work of Author X/Y/Z"...
In this scenario, I am not referencing specific page numbers, but rather a Chapter, or possibly the entire Book/Article.

The Book/Article whatever more than likely has been referred to before, and will again afterwards, but I will be referring to specific pages in all of those references, and as such – these can again be in the shortened format.

I therefore want the reference above ("I refer extensively..."), to "mimic" the 1st time reference, rather than the shortened, repeat referencing style.

Put differently, I'm looking for the following:

Full Ref
Shortened Ref
Short Ref
Short Ref
Short Ref
Full Ref
Short Ref
Short Ref

How would I go about doing the above? Simply write the 2nd Full Ref out manually, i.e. NOT using BE at all – or would it be better to use the \ \ 'function' to force BE to include the additional data?

Any suggestions would be appreciated!

I suspect you're going to have to bypass the normal scanning method to get the full ref output again if your format calls for using the secondary order for subsequent refs. However, you don't necessarily have to "write out" the full ref yourself. If this is going to be a common occurrence, create a format in which the *citation* format details are used in the *bibliography* section. Then you can use Edit -> Copy Formatted (Command-K) to have Bookends generate the final citation format for you each time you need it (just text, can't be scanned/unscanned). If this is a one-off situation then I wouldn't bother.

Jon
Sonny Software

Jon wrote:I suspect you're going to have to bypass the normal scanning method to get the full ref output again if your format calls for using the secondary order for subsequent refs. However, you don't necessarily have to "write out" the full ref yourself. If this is going to be a common occurrence, create a format in which the *citation* format details are used in the *bibliography* section. Then you can use Edit -> Copy Formatted (Command-K) to have Bookends generate the final citation format for you each time you need it (just text, can't be scanned/unscanned). If this is a one-off situation then I wouldn't bother.

Jon
Sonny Software

Thanks Jon, will give that a go.

I came back here, to 'answer' my own question... Just in case someone stumbles across this, and sits with the same formatting requirements as me.

The answer, as is so often the case with BE, was already there – in the user manual – I just never knew that it applied to me!

I probably should reference back to the precise page in the manual, to properly explain where I found this:
Under Excluding enclosing punctuation in a final citation, pg 209 – you find the example of using the " * " symbol, immediately after the delimiter, before the citation details – and how it can force the complete output of the reference.

Inadvertently, this is precisely what I needed – so whereas the {*Jones et al, 1999 #12345} is most likely intended for other usages, it does precisely what I need – forcing a full output of a reference, sans page range, in between all the other shortened/repeat citations.

Live and learn.

[EDIT:] To any future users that stumble across this thread, please note that my "solution" suggested above, is flawed. It's possible that something changed since I wrote the above (this edit being added in May 2017) – but far more likely is that the 'tests' I did to check things, worked in the instances I was looking at, but did not apply when other variables were thrown in. Be that at as may, use my suggestion with caution, since I am unclear precisely what causes it to work as expected on some citations, but not on others.

For now, I will continue to 'mark' temp citations that I want to force a complete reference in, with the asterisk. When it comes to the point that I require the final product, I will approach the forum again for a solution - with me being able to simply search for the " {* " to find the 'effected' citations.