Sonny Software

Hello.

I've been trying to generate the following format:

Bernstein, M., Brown, P. J., Frisse, M., Glushko, R., Zellweger, P., & Landow, G. (1991). Structure, navigation, and hypertext: The status of the navigation problem. In HYPERTEXT '91: Proceedings of the third annual ACM conference on Hypertext (pp. 363–366). New York, NY: ACM Press. Retrieved July 28, 2006, from http://doi.acm.org/10.1145/122974.123011

Unfortunately, what gets printed out is the following:

Bernstein, M., Brown, P. J., Frisse, M., Glushko, R., Zellweger, P., & Landow, G. (1991). Structure, navigation, and hypertext: The status of the navigation problem. In HYPERTEXT '91: Proceedings of the third annual ACM conference on Hypertext, 363–366). New York, NY: ACM Press. Retrieved July 28, 2006, from http://doi.acm.org/10.1145/122974.123011

The format I'm using is as follows:

a. (d). t. $In$ f, v(i~). ($pp$. ~p-)`.` l: u. $Retrieved$ u3, u4, $from$ z

Clearly the problem lies somewhere around the end of the volume information, the parenthesis not being recognized, nor the "pp. " that I want to appear before the page numbers. Can anyone offer some pointers as to what I might be doing wrong?

Thanks,
Rick

rickl wrote:a. (d). t. $In$ f, v(i~). ($pp$. ~p-)`.` l: u. $Retrieved$ u3, u4, $from$ z

Rickl, you probably should be using binding quotes in front of the page range entry:

a. (d). t. ~In ~f, v(i)|~. (pp. ~p-)`.` l: u. ~Retrieved ~u3, u4|~ from ~z

What I did is replace most "$" quotes with the "~" quotes which work better in cases in which not every field is available. In case of the page range thingy "p-" I have also put the break binding symbol "|" in front of the "~", so that the part ". (pp. " will also be displayed even if you do not have an issue number for your volume. I have also deleted the "~" between "i" and ")" because I was not clear on why you would need it. I have only constructed this here in the forum without testin in Bookends - I hope this works, otherwise keep asking away…

Depending on if you sometimes have incomplete entries where one field or another has no value, further tweaking could be done

Thanks, ozean, that was a big improvement. I deleted a period after the volume & issue info (not sure why I had it there in the 1st place) to get this:

a. (d). t. ~In ~f, v(i)|~ (pp. ~p-)`.` l: u. ~Retrieved ~u3, u4|~ from ~z

It works well, but there's a mysterious comma after volume/issue and before pages as you can see in the following 2 examples:

Bernstein, M., Brown, P. J., Frisse, M., Glushko, R., Zellweger, P., & Landow, G. (1991). Structure, navigation, and hypertext: The status of the navigation problem. In HYPERTEXT '91: Proceedings of the third annual ACM conference on Hypertext, (pp. 363–366). New York, NY: ACM Press. Retrieved July 28, 2006 from http://doi.acm.org/10.1145/122974.123011

Wiil, U. K. (2005). Hypermedia technology for knowledge workers: A vision of the future. In HYPERTEXT '05: Proceedings of the sixteenth ACM conference on Hypertext and hypermedia, (pp. 4–6). New York, NY: ACM Press. from http://doi.acm.org/10.1145/1083356.1083358

Any idea where that might be coming from?

a. (d). t. ~In ~f, v(i)|~ (pp. ~p-)`.` l: u. ~Retrieved ~u3, u4|~ from ~z

there you see the culprit. Because your entry does not have any content for volume and issue numer (the "v(i)" part - you seem to only have the title of the journal "f") it just prints the comma and follows with the page range.

Do it like this to avoid problems with non-existing volume/issue information:

a. (d). t. ~In ~f|~, ~v(i)|~ (pp. ~p-)`.` l: u. ~Retrieved ~u3, u4|~ from ~z

That did it, Ozean. I think I've finally grasped what break binding is now.

The other issue here of course is whether I have chosen a suitable format (from the APA rather than a software point of view). What I've done is a bit of a mishmash of D49 (page 259 of the 5th edition; published proceedings, published contribution to a symposium, article or chapter in an edited book) and I71 (page 272; the more specified of the two, allowing for the possibility that the online version may be a little different from the paper version). The other possibility, which perhaps would be closer to the letter of the rules, would be to put:

Bernstein, M., Brown, P. J., Frisse, M., Glushko, R., Zellweger, P., & Landow, G. (1991). Structure, navigation, and hypertext: The status of the navigation problem. In HYPERTEXT '91: Proceedings of the third annual ACM conference on Hypertext (pp. 363–366) [Electronic version]. New York, NY: ACM Press.

But that seems less than helpful, as it gives people like me without access to the print version no assistance in finding the online version.

Anybody got any input on this?