Way to force capitalization of proper nouns in sentence case

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That's a possibility. Maybe others could chime in? What about other European languages (French, Italian, Spanish)? Should capitalization of titles apply to them or not?

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Way back when I used to Nota Bene's Ibid. As I recall, they had some sort of non-printing code that you could embed in the field to indicate it should be capitalized by a specified foreign-language rule.

Meanwhile, I created a "Foreign Language Journal" type. Then I realized I had to create a "Foreign Language Book" type too. This could go on forever.
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Oh, and the capitalization box can't handle things like "11th". Keeps wanting to capitalize the "T".
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Also won't do "X-ray"
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whshep wrote:Oh, and the capitalization box can't handle things like "11th". Keeps wanting to capitalize the "T".
Are you sure you're using the latest version of Bookends? "11th" works for me.

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This is an old thread, but I'm not sure if this problem has been solved. I have had this same question for a while now, since I have references in both German and English. The easiest solution is to choose "as entered" to have the German properly capitalized, but if a journal requires headline style, then all German titles will have some of the words incorrectly capitalized.

Perhaps a way to do this is to have a checkbox in the reference itself that would "override" the choice in the formats menu for the title as written. So if the overall format chosen is headline style, and the box is checked for German entries, the headline style would be overridden.
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In Bookends 11.0.2 a title that ends with a comma will be excluded from whatever case rules are specified in the format (similar to the how an author name ending in a comma is not parsed). For example, even if Title Case is used by the format,

This is my title,

will be output as entered.

Similarly, if a page range ends with a comma (e.g. 12-5,), Bookends will output the last number as entered, regardless of how the format indicates it should be treated.

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This sounds like a great, and simple, solution. As always, great user support.

Now to add that comma to the German references...
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Post by mrcrwalker »

I have been stumped by this issue for awhile, just found this thread, and the new capability to exclude a title from the format's case rules on an ad hoc basis seems like a perfect, easy solution. Thanks!
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This new feature is great and works very well for books. How do you use it for book chapters?

Example:

Jacques d’Hondt, “Die Einschätzung Des Revolutionären Krieges Durch Hegel,” in Materialien Zu Hegels Rechtsphilosophie, ed. Manfred Riedel (Frankfurt a.M.: Suhrkamp, 1974).

Using the comma after the chapter title, I can get Bookends to output this:

Jacques d’Hondt, “Die Einschätzung des revolutionären Krieges durch Hegel,” in Materialien Zu Hegels Rechtsphilosophie, ed. Manfred Riedel (Frankfurt a.M.: Suhrkamp, 1974).

But the book title is still capitalized according to American norms of title case. Is there a way to implement this feature so that I can exclude book titles and journal titles from capitalization?

EDIT: It would also be helpful if the feature could be implemented in the "Short Title" field, so that short titles can be excluded from capitalization.

Thanks!
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Post by Jon »

I suppose that's possible (of course, if you're French you'll spell it Anglais). And there would have to be some overhead you'd have to fiddle with to tell Bookends how to handle each different language.

This is an old thread. A few iterations of Bookends ago we added the ability to have Bookends treat a title "as entered" regardless of the case rules for the format. Follow it with a comma (just as you would with an institution as an "author"):

Leave this title Capitalization as entered,

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Jon wrote:A few iterations of Bookends ago we added the ability to have Bookends treat a title "as entered" regardless of the case rules for the format. Follow it with a comma (just as you would with an institution as an "author")
Hi Jon,
Yes, it's an old thread, but my comment is precisely in response to the new feature [add the comma after title to force capitalization as entered]. It is a great feature, and I am suggesting that it should be implemented not just for the Title field but also for Serial Title, Book Title, Short Title, ....

Sorry if that wasn't clear from my earlier post.
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Post by Jon »

Whoops, I was actually responding to the last post on page 1 of this thread -- I didn't see the second page (sorry! -- drove to DC from Chicago in one long stretch yesterday, and I'm still recovering... :-) ).

And FYI, in the next update I've added support for the terminating comma in the other title fields you mention.

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Excellent! Thanks. :)
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Post by Massachusetts user »

It would actually be very useful to be able to mark an individual word within a title so that it remains capitalized exactly as you enter it. I am familiar with the "sentence & title case" list in the "Scan & Bib" pane in Preferences, but while that's a good solution for common words, it's clunky for the more common situation in which a single title has something in it that needs to remain capitalized as you entered it -- but that word isn't likely to occur elsewhere. Or worse, it is, and there you do *not* want it capitalized the same way (I have examples of that).

And putting a comma at the end of an individual title might solve this problem if all you use is a single journal style, but if you use different styles so that you want the capitalization of *this word* to remain the same, but the capitalization of other words to change...
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