Is Bookends just limited to a small number of entries and a very small Word text file?
I am currently trying to compile the bibliography of some 120 entries for a 160-190 page word document that contains also a large number of figures and equations.
There is always an error saying that I have not enough memory or enough harddisk space (which really is laughable, since total RAM is 8 GB, and harddisk space is at least 14 GB).
What workaround is there to compile my bibliography? Thank you very much.
Only a very limited amounts of entries?
What is the actual wording of the message? If you are scanning a Word document, there is a limit imposed by the clipboard. In theory, this is 16 MB, but at least with Word it's something less than this (we discuss this in detail in the Read Me). It's never the amount of text or citations that causes this limit to be reached, but complex graphics.
If this is the problem here, you can remove one or more graphic elements, scan, and then paste them back in. Or you can save the file as RTF and scan that -- in this case there is no size limit.
Jon
Sonny Software
If this is the problem here, you can remove one or more graphic elements, scan, and then paste them back in. Or you can save the file as RTF and scan that -- in this case there is no size limit.
Jon
Sonny Software
Hmmm... I have a 70 MB document with a final 164 pages, that contains 65 images of full print quality, either JPG almost not compressed, or EPS. Since our project deals with images, there's simply no way this can be done without images. And to take them all out, scan the document, and put them back in, would be even worse, as Word does not make "taking out" and "putting back in" really easy. It's hard to get an original image placed into Word out at all. On top of that, there may be a couple of changes, so I'm not interested in a full de-re-de-re-assembly of the whole thing in Word.
I found that if I restart Word from scratch, and use an unedited word document version, that I have a good chance of actually obtaining a bibliography.
One "document scan" takes about 6 to 10 minutes on a Powermac G5 2x2 GHz with 8 GB RAM. It's "plug and pray"
I found that if I restart Word from scratch, and use an unedited word document version, that I have a good chance of actually obtaining a bibliography.
One "document scan" takes about 6 to 10 minutes on a Powermac G5 2x2 GHz with 8 GB RAM. It's "plug and pray"
Re: Only a very limited amounts of entries?
Houston, we have a problem.
My girlfriend is currently putting the last touches to her dissertation and when she tried to scan her word document for the first time, the message about insufficient memory also popped up. The problem here is twofold:
My girlfriend is currently putting the last touches to her dissertation and when she tried to scan her word document for the first time, the message about insufficient memory also popped up. The problem here is twofold:
- for some strange reason Word 2008 fails when she tries to save the document as RTF (it begins but after advancing about two thirds, the save just stops without throwing any kind of error message – saving to doc or docx works without problems);
- the document contains too many images to really make cutting them out for scanning purposes feasible.
Re: Only a very limited amounts of entries?
The problem is Word's. It may be a corrupt document.
I suggest opening the doc in Pages, then exporting from Pages as .doc.
Open that in Word and try saving as RTF...
Jon
Sonny Software
P.S. If you don't have Pages, you can zip and send me the file and I'll do it for you.
I suggest opening the doc in Pages, then exporting from Pages as .doc.
Open that in Word and try saving as RTF...
Jon
Sonny Software
P.S. If you don't have Pages, you can zip and send me the file and I'll do it for you.
Re: Only a very limited amounts of entries?
Thanks for the offer – I had tried that option too (also going via OpenOffice) but to my surprise that did not help. In addition, there are many cross references in the document, most of which would be broken afterwards…
What I finally did: I reduced the number of images until the file reached a size of about 65 MB (in .docx format, more as .doc). Then I was able to save the file as .rtf – with the size of 533 MB… Scanning this file did work, even though it took ages. Realizing that this is a less then stable and very time consuming way to work (since the supervisors will have comments, which have to be put into the file in future revisions, always requiring a tearing out of a ton of images etc.) she finally took the plunge and imported the .rtf file into Mellel.
This has the added advantage of actually being able to move images around without having to fear document corruption and total breakdowns, with less crashing and with much more stable styles (I had a crazy experience with strange interactions between different heading styles – make a small change in level 2 and suddenly see that levels 3 and 4 moved 2 inches to the left…) So I am at peace now, having nice blue citation objects in the Mellel file and all. My girlfriend, however, will now have to adapt to a new word processor (at least she doesn’t have to worry about the styles, which are all set up).
What I finally did: I reduced the number of images until the file reached a size of about 65 MB (in .docx format, more as .doc). Then I was able to save the file as .rtf – with the size of 533 MB… Scanning this file did work, even though it took ages. Realizing that this is a less then stable and very time consuming way to work (since the supervisors will have comments, which have to be put into the file in future revisions, always requiring a tearing out of a ton of images etc.) she finally took the plunge and imported the .rtf file into Mellel.
This has the added advantage of actually being able to move images around without having to fear document corruption and total breakdowns, with less crashing and with much more stable styles (I had a crazy experience with strange interactions between different heading styles – make a small change in level 2 and suddenly see that levels 3 and 4 moved 2 inches to the left…) So I am at peace now, having nice blue citation objects in the Mellel file and all. My girlfriend, however, will now have to adapt to a new word processor (at least she doesn’t have to worry about the styles, which are all set up).
Re: Only a very limited amounts of entries?
Mellel is indeed a great solution for large, complex documents, which is where Word fails miserably. I, too, finally stopped trying to fight Word (for the Bookends User Guide) and am quite happy to be rid of it. Maybe Word 11 will be better in this regard, but I'm doubtful.
Jon
Sonny Software
Jon
Sonny Software
Re: Only a very limited amounts of entries?
Yes, it will be interesting to see how the stability of Word 11 turns out to be (my hopes aren’t that high either) and I am also looking forward to an eventual upgrade of Pages.
One of main features that was lacking and thus forbid the use of Pages for the dissertation was the inability to carry the content of footnotes over a page break. We’ll see what happens in that regard. With the addition of basic reference management support one can at least hope that they will address academic needs more and more in future updates… (meaning better support Bookends and similar apps too, of course!)
One of main features that was lacking and thus forbid the use of Pages for the dissertation was the inability to carry the content of footnotes over a page break. We’ll see what happens in that regard. With the addition of basic reference management support one can at least hope that they will address academic needs more and more in future updates… (meaning better support Bookends and similar apps too, of course!)