updating Chicago style: Orig Pub, multiple authors

[sdedalus]

I’m trying to update the Chicago 15th A & Chicago 15th A Footnotes formats that ship with BE to conform better with Chicago Style 15th Ed. Btw, I think BE should ship with these additions to make Chicago format more correct/complete.

I was hoping to get some help with the field codes for the following:

1. Commas between multiple authors’ names (CMS 17.27). CMS requires a comma between two authors listed in the bibliography, where each entry begins with a surname (Surname, Firstname, and Firstname Surname); but it calls for NO comma between two authors/editors listed elsewhere in either notes or bibliography (Firstname Surname and Firstname Surname).

I understand that I can alter comma use according to the number of names by using the ^ field code. So to get no comma between two authors cited in the notes, I would add

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_and_^,_and_

where the underscore represents a space. (I don't know what the difference is between putting this in the “Between Names” or the “Between Last Names” fields though.)

The above works well for names that occur in Footnotes citation format. The problem arises in the bibliography, where two authors at the beginning of an entry require a comma (Surname, Firstname, and Firstname Surname), but two editors found in the middle of an entry do NOT take a comma (Firstname Surname and Firstname Surname).

Is there a way to make this work in BE?

2. I want to add the original publication info to some entries (CMS 17.123; note that Chicago author-date style handles this differently, see 17.124-127). This is easy enough with books and book chapters in the bibliography, where the “Orig Pub” field {u11} is followed by a period & space.
Book in biblio

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a. t. u11. $Translated by $u3*. $Edited by $e. u2$ ed.$ u13$ vols.$ $Vol. $v, f. l: u, d. $Reprint, $u12`.`

which outputs

Sorel, Georges. Réflexions sur la violence. 1908. Paris: Éditions du Trident, 1987.

Book chapter in biblio

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a. “t.” u11. $In $v, $edited by $e, p-. l: u, d. $Reprint, $u12`.`

Benjamin, Walter. “Critique of Violence.” 1920-1921. In Reflections, edited by Peter Demetz, 277-300. New York: Schocken Books, 1978.

It’s not too much harder to get it to work with a book in notes:
Book in notes

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a, t$, $$trans. $u3*|~, ~u2~ ed.~~, ~u13~ vols.~~, vol. ~v|~, ~f` (`u11$; $|l: u, d$; reprint $u12`)`.

Georges Sorel, Réflexions sur la violence (1908; Paris: Éditions du Trident, 1987).

But then I run into trouble with:
Book chapter in notes

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a, “t,” (u11), $in $v,$ ed. $e|~, ~f` (`l: u$, $d|~; reprint, ~u12`).`

Walter Benjamin, “Critique of Violence,” (1920-1921), in Reflections, ed. Peter Demetz (New York: Schocken Books, 1978).

Pretty close, but when Orig Pub info {u11} is included, the comma after the chapter title {t} should NOT appear, e.g.

. . . “Critique of Violence” (1920-1921), in Reflections . . .

Is there any way to do this with the field codes?

Thanks to anyone who can help.

[Jon]

Hi,

I don't think it's possible to do that. The workaround (inelegant) would be to define a separate reference Type for the second situation (Orig Pub included).

BTW, if you are willing, please send the final revised format to me (support@sonnysoftware.com).

Jon
Sonny Software

[ozean]

Yes, sdedalus, thanks for your effort – I am sure many people would greatly appreciate your effort with improving the Chicago styles!