Turabian Formatting Glitch? -Solved?

[JAMiller6620]

Ok. I previously posted about a comma before the parenthesis in the book format for the Turabian Footnotes format.

The standard BE code looks like:
a, t,$, ed. $e, $, ed. $u1~,~ $trans. $u3*~, ~u2~ ed.~`, `u13~ vols.~|~ ~f|~, vol. ~v` (`l: u, d;$ reprint, $u12`).`

The output looks like this:
Henri Frankfurt, Ancient Egyptian Religion, (New York: Harper & Row, 1961).

To my knowledge, there should be no comma between the title and the publication information enclosed in parentheses. I have tried a number of different things to eliminate this unwanted comma from deleting commas to inserting a binding break (|) but to no avail. Does anyone know how to remove the comma?

Edit: Problem Partially Solved! Please see the code I am using below:
a, t$, ed. $e $, ed. $u1~,~ $, trans. $u3*~, ~u2~ ed.~, u13~ vols.~|~ ~f|~, vol. ~v` (`l: u, d;$ reprint, $u12`).`

Now my output looks like this:
Henri Frankfurt, Ancient Egyptian Religion (New York: Harper & Row, 1961).

I do not understand why a force quote was used around the comma immediately preceding the u13, but it was highly annoying to try to find it.

However, now I am having a problem with a book which has only a title and a translator (u3) before the publication information.
BE original Turabian Footnote code is:
a, t,$, ed. $e, $, ed. $u1~,~ $trans. $u3*~, ~u2~ ed.~`, `u13~ vols.~|~ ~f|~, vol. ~v` (`l: u, d;$ reprint, $u12`).`

The output looks like this:
Hartmut Gese, Essays in Biblical Theologytrans. K. Crim, (Minneapolis: Augsburg, 1981).

My further revised code is this:
a, t$, ed. $e $, ed. $u1~,~ $, trans. $u3* u2~ ed.~, u13~ vols.~|~ ~f|~, vol. ~v` (`l: u, d;$ reprint, $u12 |~; original publication~, u11`).`

My code produces the following output:
Hartmut Gese, Essays in Biblical Theology, trans. K. Crim (Minneapolis: Augsburg, 1981).

This however raises one last problem which I am as yet unable to resolve. The following code is what I currently have:
a, t$, ed. $e $, ed. $u1 $, trans. $u3* ~,~u2~ ed.~ u13~ vols.~|~ ~ |~, ~f|~, vol. ~v` (`l: u, d;$ reprint, $u12 |~; original publication~, u11`).`

However, I am unable to get a necessary comma in after the translator and before the number of vols. My output is as follows:
Jean Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, ed. John T. McNeill, trans. Ford Lewis Battles 2 vols., Library of Christian Classics, vol. 21 (Philadelphia: The Westminster Press, 1960).

I would appreciate any suggestions.

Edit:
Here is my final code:
a, t$, ed. $e $, ed. $u1 $, trans. $u3* ~, ~u2~ ed.~ ~, ~u13~ vols.~|~ ~ |~, ~f|~, vol. ~v` (`l: u, d;$ reprint, $u12|~; original publication~, u11`).`

My output is now correct for all of my current variables. Some examples are listed below so others can see the output of the code:

Henri Frankfurt, Ancient Egyptian Religion (New York: Harper & Row, 1961).

Charles Hodge, Systematic Theology, vol. 2 (Grand Rapids: Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, n.d.; reprint, 1995).

Hartmut Gese, Essays in Biblical Theology, trans. K. Crim (Minneapolis: Augsburg, 1981).

Karl Barth, Prayer: Second Edition, ed. Don E. Saliers, trans. Sara F. Terrien (Philadelphia: Westminster, 1985).

Shimon Bar-Efrat, Narrative Art in the Bible, ed. David J. A Clines and Philip R. Davies, Journal for the Study of the Old Testament Supplement Series, vol. 70 (Sheffield, England: Sheffield Academic Press, 2000).

Jean Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, ed. John T. McNeill, trans. Ford Lewis Battles, 2 vols., Library of Christian Classics, vol. 21 (Philadelphia: The Westminster Press, 1960).


Hopefully this will help someone else.
If anyone sees a potential problem (conflict/formatting issue) with this code, please let me know.

Edit: I am having the same problem with the all of my bibliography types (book [manually fixed], journal article [manually fixed], book chapter [manually fixed], dictionary article [manually fixed], personal communication [manually fixed]). There is an extra comma in all of these types in the Turabian Footnotes format prior to the parenthesis when there is only the author/editor and title preceding the publication information. Is there supposed to be a comma there? has there been a formatting change to Turabian Footnotes of which I am unaware? Just curious.

[Jon]

Getting the format exactly right when fields are missing (especially more than one) is always tricky. I'll amend the Turabian Footnote book format as you suggest. If you have the time, send me the other corrections and I'll use those, too.

Thanks,

Jon
Sonny Software

[JAMiller6620]

I have amended the majority of the formats on account of missing fields, like you said. What is the best way for me to send them to you? Some steps on how-to would be helpful. Thanks. Jim

[Jon]

Hi,

Zip the format, the attach it to an email to

support@sonnysoftware.com

Thanks,

Jon
Sonny Software

[JAMiller6620]

I will do this next week, after I have finished my thesis revision submission and have had a chance to double check the accuracy of the format.

[ozean]

JAMiller6620 – thanks for improving the formats!

I just wanted to encourage you to take a look at the optional output method (the thing where you use { } constructions along with ˆ to create options). There are some situations where this leads to much more reliable results that are also conceptionally easier.

But for the majority of settings, optional bindings |~ are the easier and more fitting method, of course. I just thought I’d point this out – it helped me solve some difficult situations when format have to work with output missing…

As an example: a standard construction that I use for place: publisher. is: {l`: `uˆlˆu}`.`