Reference with page number and literal text in Bookends 11

A place for users to ask each other questions, make suggestions, and discuss Bookends.
Post Reply
nicka
Posts: 226
Joined: Thu Feb 03, 2005 6:56 pm
Location: Oslo
Contact:

Reference with page number and literal text in Bookends 11

Post by nicka »

I'm having a lot of fun exploring Bookends 11.

In the list of new features in Bookends 11:
Mix formatting instruction and literal text in the same temporary citation
For example, {%\See also \Smith, 2009} will output a citation preceded by the quoted text and containing the year-only: (See also 2009). The Copy Citation With Modifiers dialog allows you to enter both preceding text and special formatting instructions.
Does this include the ability to mix page numbers with literal text? That is, can Bookends 11 parse something like: Matsumoto, 1995, #25598@23 \fn 4\ ? That doesn't seem to be working for me.
Jon
Site Admin
Posts: 10292
Joined: Tue Jul 13, 2004 6:27 pm
Location: Bethesda, MD
Contact:

Re: Reference with page number and literal text in Bookends 11

Post by Jon »

No, you can't mix cited pages with literal text. But in many cases Bookends will handle literal text *in* cited pages as you want. So try this

Matsumoto,1995, #25598@23 fn 4

(for example, it works nicely for me using APA 5th).

Jon
Sonny Software
nicka
Posts: 226
Joined: Thu Feb 03, 2005 6:56 pm
Location: Oslo
Contact:

Re: Reference with page number and literal text in Bookends 11

Post by nicka »

Thank you! I didn't know you could do that and it is very useful.

Is it churlish of me, so soon after the release of Bookends 11, to say that it would be lovely to be able to use literal text and cited pages in the same reference one day? (If it is, I apologise...)
Jon
Site Admin
Posts: 10292
Joined: Tue Jul 13, 2004 6:27 pm
Location: Bethesda, MD
Contact:

Re: Reference with page number and literal text in Bookends 11

Post by Jon »

Not at all. It presents some difficult design issues, though. And since you can usually append literal text to cited pages, the issue may be moot for all practial purposes. If you find a situation where you *cannot* added literal text at the end of the cited pages and have it display as you like, please let me know.

Jon
Sonny Software
nicka
Posts: 226
Joined: Thu Feb 03, 2005 6:56 pm
Location: Oslo
Contact:

Re: Reference with page number and literal text in Bookends 11

Post by nicka »

Now I know that it generally works I'll do things that way and will let you know if I have a problem.

But the need for combined literal text and cited pages in one reference is also because of wanting to do things like \See also \ Matsumoto, 1995, #25598@23
I know that the same effect can be had by using the 'Don't enclose formatted citation' option and then typing (See also" before the citation and " )" after it, but it's a bit annoying, and there are cases where it gets pretty laborious. The sort of case I have in mind is where there is a list of references in one citation, some of which should have literal text and some of which should have cited pages.
Anyway, enough churlishness from me for now. As someone said in a recent thread, Bookends seems pretty close to feature-complete these days.
Jon
Site Admin
Posts: 10292
Joined: Tue Jul 13, 2004 6:27 pm
Location: Bethesda, MD
Contact:

Re: Reference with page number and literal text in Bookends 11

Post by Jon »

Oh, you can do that now. You can mix literal text *at the beginning* of a citation with cited pages at the end. I thought you wanted to end with both cited pages and literal text, which you cannot do. But as we've seen, cited pages can accommodate literal text, too (up to a point).

Try your example above and see.

Jon
Sonny Software
nicka
Posts: 226
Joined: Thu Feb 03, 2005 6:56 pm
Location: Oslo
Contact:

Re: Reference with page number and literal text in Bookends 11

Post by nicka »

You are absolutely right. I'm sure that this used not to work and I'm just got so used to working round it that I never noticed the change. Sorry, and thanks!
Mirithiar
Posts: 3
Joined: Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:26 am

Re: Reference with page number and literal text in Bookends 11

Post by Mirithiar »

New to Bookends (12.8 ), I'd like to follow up on this, as I'm a bit at loss as to how to make it work (and maybe it's simply not possible?).

I want to have the following in a sentence, with the literal text:
(see e.g. Szulkin & Sheldon 2008 and Szulkin et al., 2012; and Pusey 1987 and Johnson & Gaines 1990 for reviews)

I use cite-keys (LaTeX style), but I'm working in Word for this one, so I have:
(see e.g. {SzulkinSheldon2008,Szulkin_etal2012}; and {Pusey1987,JohnsonGaines1990} for reviews)

I know literal text can be escaped with \ \, the two sections separately will work, i.e. if I wanted those:
{\see e.g. \SzulkinSheldon2008,Szulkin_etal2012}
{Pusey1987,JohnsonGaines1990\ for reviews\}

But is there a way of having it all together? Making something along the lines of
{\see e.g. \SzulkinSheldon2008,Szulkin_etal2012\; and \Pusey1987,JohnsonGaines1990\ for reviews\} work? So that the "; and" in the middle is escaped and all is placed in one set of braces?

In this particular case I can rephrase to avoid the middle "and", but I have lots of situations where there is a statement needed to separate, "for examples see xxx, but also consider findings of y, because of these reasons"

Thanks for taking the time to read.
Last edited by Mirithiar on Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:50 am, edited 1 time in total.
Jon
Site Admin
Posts: 10292
Joined: Tue Jul 13, 2004 6:27 pm
Location: Bethesda, MD
Contact:

Re: Reference with page number and literal text in Bookends 11

Post by Jon »

Try something like this

{\see e.g. \SzulkinSheldon2008,Szulkin_etal2012,\; and Pusey1987,JohnsonGaines1990\ for reviews\}

Jon
Sonny Software
Mirithiar
Posts: 3
Joined: Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:26 am

Re: Reference with page number and literal text in Bookends 11

Post by Mirithiar »

Thank you Jon.

It doesn't quite work: in this case the second batch of citations are treated as "unmatched".


EDIT: I thought that maybe following the example of "Oscar et al. (2011)" would be an option, just placing the authors names in front of the citation, but that also doesn't seem to work - if I use {^surname2000} or even {-surname2000} the reference is unmatched. Even if it's a single one, not a batch.
Jon
Site Admin
Posts: 10292
Joined: Tue Jul 13, 2004 6:27 pm
Location: Bethesda, MD
Contact:

Re: Reference with page number and literal text in Bookends 11

Post by Jon »

I scanned that here before posting and it worked. Have you set comma (,) as your citation delimiter in preferences? If so, please contact tech support directly and attach your library.

Jon
Sonny Software
Mirithiar
Posts: 3
Joined: Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:26 am

Re: Reference with page number and literal text in Bookends 11

Post by Mirithiar »

I have, and I will, thank you for trying to help here.
Jon
Site Admin
Posts: 10292
Joined: Tue Jul 13, 2004 6:27 pm
Location: Bethesda, MD
Contact:

Re: Reference with page number and literal text in Bookends 11

Post by Jon »

Oops. An unpaired \. Try

{\see e.g. \SzulkinSheldon2008,Szulkin_etal2012,\; and \Pusey1987,JohnsonGaines1990\ for reviews\}

Jon
Sonny Software
Post Reply