page number and page range

[Jonathan Adrain]

Hi -
I have migrated my reference library to Bookends and hopefully have left Endnote behind for good. I'm in the gradual process of writing new formats for journals and correcting various small hiccups in the import.

A question I can't find the answer to (sorry if this is somewhere obvious):

Bookends provides a way to cite either the page range or the first page number.

My problem is that for some of the types of bulletins, memoirs, monographs that I cite, some journal styles require the volume number and page range (e.g., 32:1-117, just like a journal), whereas others require only the total number of pages (e.g., Memoir 32, 117 p.)

Is it possible to have Bookends retrieve the _last_ page in the page range, or do I need to devote a separate reference field for these (e.g., 1-117 in Pages and also 117 in a separate Total Pages)?

This comes up also, though less often, when citing books.

Thanks, looking forward to Bookends 8.

Jonathan

[Jon]

My problem is that for some of the types of bulletins, memoirs, monographs that I cite, some journal styles require the volume number and page range (e.g., 32:1-117, just like a journal), whereas others require only the total number of pages (e.g., Memoir 32, 117 p.)

Is it possible to have Bookends retrieve the _last_ page in the page range, or do I need to devote a separate reference field for these (e.g., 1-117 in Pages and also 117 in a separate Total Pages)?

This comes up also, though less often, when citing books.

Hi Jonathan (great name!),

Is this for a bibliography or a footnote? If the latter, you can cite on-the-fly like this:

{my temporary citation info\, p. 1-117}

or

{my temporary citation info\, 177p.}

or whatever.

There will be a "cited pages" feature in Bookends 8, too, that will help here (although to mix the two styles, you'll still need to manually use the backslash "quote mark" to switch between them).

If it's in a bibliography, then there is no magic way (tell me if this is the case).

Jon
Sonny Software

[Jonathan Adrain]

Hi Jon,

Thanks for the quick reply. It's for a bibliography. I don't think there was a special way to do this in Endnote, either - I just used an additional field called "Total Pages." The miser in me doesn't want to dedicate a field to it if avoidable, but it's no problem, particularly as I understand there will be an extra two user fields in Bookends 8.

Two more questions that came up as I rebuilt formats:

1) Some journals require that both the authors and the editors be in all caps in the bibliography (when citing a book chapter or whatever). I can see how to make the authors all caps, but is there a way to make the editors also all caps?

2) Toggle for "ed." and "eds." I can figure out how to use the ++ toggle for the "s" - problem is journals published in the UK and Europe want Brit style punctuation. That is, when a word is a contraction instead of an abbreviation they don't use a period (or, uh, "full stop"). So style for UK journals is "ed." when singular (an abbreviation) and "eds" when plural (a contraction - same deal with Dr. vs Drs, Fig. vs Figs etc.) Is there a way to implement this in Bookends formats?

Thanks,

Jonathan

[Jon]

I don't think there was a special way to do this in Endnote, either - I just used an additional field called "Total Pages." The miser in me doesn't want to dedicate a field to it if avoidable, but it's no problem, particularly as I understand there will be an extra two user fields in Bookends 8.

Quite right.

1) Some journals require that both the authors and the editors be in all caps in the bibliography (when citing a book chapter or whatever). I can see how to make the authors all caps, but is there a way to make the editors also all caps?

Hm, no. This isn't a requirement I'm familiar with. Sorry, but it's not in Bookends 8, either.

2) Toggle for "ed." and "eds." I can figure out how to use the ++ toggle for the "s" - problem is journals published in the UK and Europe want Brit style punctuation. That is, when a word is a contraction instead of an abbreviation they don't use a period (or, uh, "full stop"). So style for UK journals is "ed." when singular (an abbreviation) and "eds" when plural (a contraction - same deal with Dr. vs Drs, Fig. vs Figs etc.) Is there a way to implement this in Bookends formats?

Not Bookends 7. But Bookends 8 will be more flexible. From the (unpublished) User Guide:

If ^^ appears between dollar signs ($) or backquotes (`) and there is one editor, the text before ^^ will be used. If there are multiple editors, the text after ^^ will be used.

For example,

e $(Sole Editor)^^(All Editors)$

might be output as

Smith, JD (Sole Editor)

or

Smith, JD and Jones, WMN (All Editors)

This will do what you want, I think.

Jon
Sonny Software

[rickl]

Sorry to be pedantic (and possibly wrong, too), but isn't Dr (unlike Eds) a contraction, too, and wouldn't it therefore be correct to have it without a full stop?

same deal with Dr. vs Drs

Rick

[prop]

That's how I write Dr as well.

[Jonathan Adrain]

Sorry to be pedantic (and possibly wrong, too), but isn't Dr (unlike Eds) a contraction, too, and wouldn't it therefore be correct to have it without a full stop?

same deal with Dr. vs Drs

Rick

Yes, yes, sorry. Got confused between contractions versus abbreviations and American vs rest-of-world usage. I'm more or less British, employed in the US, and educated in Canada (which employs a sort of hybrid system with British spelling for the most part but American Dr.). Hard to keep it straight sometimes.

J

[rickl]

Canada (which employs a sort of hybrid system with British spelling for the most part but American Dr.).

Oh, that is a little confusing. Any idea why doctors are exceptions?